Comments on: Carnival of Journalism: Are we asking the right questions about online revenue models? http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/ The future of news. And more. No funny stuff. Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:22:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: #cfund debate: New business models for media| Novos modelos de negócio para os media « O Lago | The Lake http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/comment-page-1/#comment-15057 #cfund debate: New business models for media| Novos modelos de negócio para os media « O Lago | The Lake Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:16:42 +0000 http://ryansholin.com/?p=1277#comment-15057 [...] Carnival of Journalism: Are we asking the right questions about online revenue models? - Invisible I... [...] [...] Carnival of Journalism: Are we asking the right questions about online revenue models? – Invisible I… [...]

]]> By: Conal http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/comment-page-1/#comment-14872 Conal Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:46:29 +0000 http://ryansholin.com/?p=1277#comment-14872 Some interesting ideas, but there are a couple of flaws: "Offer new customers five free ads. After that, they pay." How will you track the 5 free ads? Would a customer have to enter his credit card number to open an account? Would he have to create a membership to the site? Both of these are significant deterrents considering craigslist is one click away and doesn't have nearly as much hassle. also: "The simple answer is that the community will pay for the stories that would otherwise be missed by a larger, slower, all-encompassing news organization with a broad coverage area." Assuming you could get a small community to pay enough money for someone seek out stories, collect information, fact-check it, and publish it online, what would stop group-think? If my community micro-paper discovers something a majority of my neighbours don't appreciate (e.g. how their fertilizer run-off is poisoning my personal well), what's to stop the local paper from not printing it? They would most likely defer to the money. Not to knock the ideas. I'm glad someone's considering atypical solutions (unlike most major newspapers); but, this is a very complicated issue and is going to take lots of trial-and-error to get right. Some interesting ideas, but there are a couple of flaws:

“Offer new customers five free ads. After that, they pay.”

How will you track the 5 free ads? Would a customer have to enter his credit card number to open an account? Would he have to create a membership to the site? Both of these are significant deterrents considering craigslist is one click away and doesn’t have nearly as much hassle.

also:

“The simple answer is that the community will pay for the stories that would otherwise be missed by a larger, slower, all-encompassing news organization with a broad coverage area.”

Assuming you could get a small community to pay enough money for someone seek out stories, collect information, fact-check it, and publish it online, what would stop group-think? If my community micro-paper discovers something a majority of my neighbours don’t appreciate (e.g. how their fertilizer run-off is poisoning my personal well), what’s to stop the local paper from not printing it? They would most likely defer to the money.

Not to knock the ideas. I’m glad someone’s considering atypical solutions (unlike most major newspapers); but, this is a very complicated issue and is going to take lots of trial-and-error to get right.

]]> By: Send an SOS to the interwebs « Inverted Soapbox http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/comment-page-1/#comment-14848 Send an SOS to the interwebs « Inverted Soapbox Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:34:37 +0000 http://ryansholin.com/?p=1277#comment-14848 [...] Whatever your take on v-day is, maybe the most we can hope for out of true love these days is ambiguity and anonynimity. But at least messages in a bottle weren’t KILLING NEWSPAPERS. [...] [...] Whatever your take on v-day is, maybe the most we can hope for out of true love these days is ambiguity and anonynimity. But at least messages in a bottle weren’t KILLING NEWSPAPERS. [...]

]]> By: Mary, school teacher http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/comment-page-1/#comment-14778 Mary, school teacher Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:49:09 +0000 http://ryansholin.com/?p=1277#comment-14778 I'd go for a long-term investment like a SEO campaign. It's not very cheap but the result is lasting. I’d go for a long-term investment like a SEO campaign. It’s not very cheap but the result is lasting.

]]> By: Erik Weber http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/comment-page-1/#comment-14705 Erik Weber Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:12:34 +0000 http://ryansholin.com/?p=1277#comment-14705 Good ideas all - like the freemium idea, kinda coincides with the Flickr model of 'pro' accounts (acknowledging that Flickr likely did not come up with pro accounts but that it's the best example I have handy). I've been thinking of a hybrid news/social networking site with the news free and driving the site traffic but the forum posts/commments and user content as limited to a small number per specific time period unless 'upgraded'. Good ideas all – like the freemium idea, kinda coincides with the Flickr model of ‘pro’ accounts (acknowledging that Flickr likely did not come up with pro accounts but that it’s the best example I have handy). I’ve been thinking of a hybrid news/social networking site with the news free and driving the site traffic but the forum posts/commments and user content as limited to a small number per specific time period unless ‘upgraded’.

]]> By: Steve http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/comment-page-1/#comment-14415 Steve Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:59:53 +0000 http://ryansholin.com/?p=1277#comment-14415 " . . .a distributed news service, the sum of dozens of tiny parts, a portal to a wide variety of platforms where bits of news pushed out and pulled in." Well said. About financing reporting: there's also the potential for more nonprofit ventures like Propublica, and the NYT just published an op-ed on making newspapers endowed institutions like universities. I wrote that up with some other relevant links <a href="http://stello.us/media-detritus/2009/01/investigative-reporting-from-a-vegetative-state/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. cheers ” . . .a distributed news service, the sum of dozens of tiny parts, a portal to a wide variety of platforms where bits of news pushed out and pulled in.”

Well said.

About financing reporting: there’s also the potential for more nonprofit ventures like Propublica, and the NYT just published an op-ed on making newspapers endowed institutions like universities.
I wrote that up with some other relevant links here.
cheers

]]> By: What Would Google Do: 9 lessen voor de media» RethinkingMedia http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/comment-page-1/#comment-14260 What Would Google Do: 9 lessen voor de media» RethinkingMedia Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:01:50 +0000 http://ryansholin.com/?p=1277#comment-14260 [...] dump papers and as the real value in real estate is the data: what houses are for sale. Ryan Sholin just talked about fremium classifieds: basic ads are free but you pay extra to make them stand out. Perhaps you [...] [...] dump papers and as the real value in real estate is the data: what houses are for sale. Ryan Sholin just talked about fremium classifieds: basic ads are free but you pay extra to make them stand out. Perhaps you [...]

]]> By: Feral Beast http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/comment-page-1/#comment-14212 Feral Beast Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:42:34 +0000 http://ryansholin.com/?p=1277#comment-14212 Your ideas are intriguing. Certainly the automatic online ads which measure per click don't bring in sufficient cash flow. The crux is distinguishing the website as worth reading in the sea of snark/vitriol/aggregate wire copy. The HuffPo exploitation of "citizen journos" is depressing. Your ideas are intriguing. Certainly the automatic online ads which measure per click don’t bring in sufficient cash flow.

The crux is distinguishing the website as worth reading in the sea of snark/vitriol/aggregate wire copy.

The HuffPo exploitation of “citizen journos” is depressing.

]]> By: The Efficiency of Internet Advertising (A Eficiência da Propaganda na Internet) « JCC.COM http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/comment-page-1/#comment-14175 The Efficiency of Internet Advertising (A Eficiência da Propaganda na Internet) « JCC.COM Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:16:35 +0000 http://ryansholin.com/?p=1277#comment-14175 [...] papers and as the real value in real estate is the data: what houses are for sale. Ryan Sholin just talked about premium classifieds: basic ads are free but you pay extra to make them stand out. Perhaps you [...] [...] papers and as the real value in real estate is the data: what houses are for sale. Ryan Sholin just talked about premium classifieds: basic ads are free but you pay extra to make them stand out. Perhaps you [...]

]]> By: Links for today | Links para hoje « O Lago | The Lake http://ryansholin.com/2009/01/19/carnival-of-journalism-questions-about-online-revenue-models/comment-page-1/#comment-14173 Links for today | Links para hoje « O Lago | The Lake Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:01:22 +0000 http://ryansholin.com/?p=1277#comment-14173 [...] [...] [...] [...]

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