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	<title>Comments on: Working with developers and designers</title>
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	<description>Ryan Sholin on the future of newspapers, online news and journalism education.</description>
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		<title>By: Nick Sergeant</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/06/30/working-with-developers-and-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-11042</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Sergeant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan Hehe, it&#039;s all good ;)  I actually get a kick out of obviously-not-designers telling me what to do (seems to be the trend, lately).

Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan Hehe, it&#8217;s all good <img src='http://ryansholin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   I actually get a kick out of obviously-not-designers telling me what to do (seems to be the trend, lately).</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick - Right. That&#039;s why you&#039;re the designer. I&#039;m not going to stand over your shoulder and say &quot;Hey, how about a little more padding-left on that list-item?&quot;

Well, maybe I&#039;m not speaking for myself, exactly, but I generally advise against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick &#8211; Right. That&#8217;s why you&#8217;re the designer. I&#8217;m not going to stand over your shoulder and say &#8220;Hey, how about a little more padding-left on that list-item?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, maybe I&#8217;m not speaking for myself, exactly, but I generally advise against it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Sergeant</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/06/30/working-with-developers-and-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-11040</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Sergeant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Seriously, do you really think it’s going
&gt; to matter in the end whether or not
&gt; there’s just a little bit more whitespace
&gt; around that heading?

Oh, it&#039;s going to matter.  A lot.

Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Seriously, do you really think it’s going<br />
&gt; to matter in the end whether or not<br />
&gt; there’s just a little bit more whitespace<br />
&gt; around that heading?</p>
<p>Oh, it&#8217;s going to matter.  A lot.</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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		<title>By: Planear o vosso projecto Web &#124; Planning your web project &#171; O Lago &#124; The Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Planear o vosso projecto Web &#124; Planning your web project &#171; O Lago &#124; The Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now i must have about three or four website projects to develop.So i understand perfectly this post by Ryan Sholin that taks about the collaboration between creators, developers and designers. Each one has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] now i must have about three or four website projects to develop.So i understand perfectly this post by Ryan Sholin that taks about the collaboration between creators, developers and designers. Each one has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Digidave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digidave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Ryan.

One more thing to do - and I may do a quick post about this.

Before you even do the pencil and pen thing (which is a HUGE must). I tend to start with a narrative. 

For spot.us - I wrote the narrative of &quot;Rita the reader&quot; and &quot;david the reporter&quot; - and how they would both interact with the site. 

From that - I started drawing. Tell the narrative that users would experience when they come to your site. If you can&#039;t tell that story, including all the choose your own adventure versions that your site can produce, you can&#039;t hire a developer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Ryan.</p>
<p>One more thing to do &#8211; and I may do a quick post about this.</p>
<p>Before you even do the pencil and pen thing (which is a HUGE must). I tend to start with a narrative. </p>
<p>For spot.us &#8211; I wrote the narrative of &#8220;Rita the reader&#8221; and &#8220;david the reporter&#8221; &#8211; and how they would both interact with the site. </p>
<p>From that &#8211; I started drawing. Tell the narrative that users would experience when they come to your site. If you can&#8217;t tell that story, including all the choose your own adventure versions that your site can produce, you can&#8217;t hire a developer.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiyoshi Martinez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiyoshi Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES! Pencil and paper! Especially graphing paper. This is how I conceptualized lots of my sites when I first started to teach myself HTML/site design. Although, I will admit that with the rise of templates, I&#039;ve often ignored this now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES! Pencil and paper! Especially graphing paper. This is how I conceptualized lots of my sites when I first started to teach myself HTML/site design. Although, I will admit that with the rise of templates, I&#8217;ve often ignored this now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Cheredar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Cheredar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post needs to be retitled &quot;The new rules for filing a story.&quot;

No. 2 and 3 are especially good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post needs to be retitled &#8220;The new rules for filing a story.&#8221;</p>
<p>No. 2 and 3 are especially good.</p>
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