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		<title>By: &#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; Saving sections of the daily newspaper</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/06/04/10-obvious-things-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-11134</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8230;My heart&#8217;s in Accra &#187; Saving sections of the daily newspaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] off the table and focus on questions where we don&#8217;t have good solutions. McAdams points to a pair of Ryan Sholin posts in the same spirit that I&#8217;d missed previously. We&#8217;re hosting a small [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] off the table and focus on questions where we don&#8217;t have good solutions. McAdams points to a pair of Ryan Sholin posts in the same spirit that I&#8217;d missed previously. We&#8217;re hosting a small [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Teaching Online Journalism &#187; The survival of journalism: 10 simple facts</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/06/04/10-obvious-things-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-11079</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching Online Journalism &#187; The survival of journalism: 10 simple facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the tradition of Ryan Sholin&#8217;s popular &#8220;get over it&#8221; post (and the recent sequel), allow me to offer a short list of things we should probably skip over in any discussion of this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the tradition of Ryan Sholin&#8217;s popular &#8220;get over it&#8221; post (and the recent sequel), allow me to offer a short list of things we should probably skip over in any discussion of this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Owens</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/06/04/10-obvious-things-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-11044</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Chris Amico.  You can find out more about &quot;information wants to be free&quot; here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_wants_to_be_free

Information wants to be free, because we&#039;re drowning in information.  To get your information noticed, you have no choice but to make it free.

Information wants to be expensive, because certain bits of information can be very valuable.  Investment information, if specific and unique and helpful is very valuable to people looking to make money off that information, which is why the most successful paid services are financial in nature.

We&#039;ve seen no evidence that generalized neews coverage bestows on the receiver any economic benefit, or other valuable personal benefit; it&#039;s just information; hence, people won&#039;t pay for it.

@Chris O&#039;Brien:  I just don&#039;t buy that there is a wide swath of newsroom staffers who &quot;get it.&quot;  The &quot;we don&#039;t have time&quot; formulation sounds more like an excuse, because I see journalists every day who deal with all the same pressures, but they find a way to get the online job done.  If you really do get it, you find a way to get the job done. You don&#039;t make excuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Chris Amico.  You can find out more about &#8220;information wants to be free&#8221; here:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_wants_to_be_free" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_wants_to_be_free</a></p>
<p>Information wants to be free, because we&#8217;re drowning in information.  To get your information noticed, you have no choice but to make it free.</p>
<p>Information wants to be expensive, because certain bits of information can be very valuable.  Investment information, if specific and unique and helpful is very valuable to people looking to make money off that information, which is why the most successful paid services are financial in nature.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen no evidence that generalized neews coverage bestows on the receiver any economic benefit, or other valuable personal benefit; it&#8217;s just information; hence, people won&#8217;t pay for it.</p>
<p>@Chris O&#8217;Brien:  I just don&#8217;t buy that there is a wide swath of newsroom staffers who &#8220;get it.&#8221;  The &#8220;we don&#8217;t have time&#8221; formulation sounds more like an excuse, because I see journalists every day who deal with all the same pressures, but they find a way to get the online job done.  If you really do get it, you find a way to get the job done. You don&#8217;t make excuses.</p>
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		<title>By: Today in History 2030 - July 3 &#171; Final Spin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Today in History 2030 - July 3 &#171; Final Spin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last paid newspaper (New York Times) goes free distribution, both online and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; Wednesday squibs</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/06/04/10-obvious-things-one-year-later/comment-page-1/#comment-10956</link>
		<dc:creator>Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media &#187; Wednesday squibs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 10 obvious things, one year later. Ryan Sholin updates a post from a year ago and sounds optimistic about progress being made. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great update, Ryan. My experience is that people in the newsroom, reporters and editors, are not the problem. They get that we need to be trying new things, in fact, many of things on your list, to have more impact online. 

Here&#039;s the problem: We still make 85 percent of our money from the print edition of the paper. And anything that takes away from that print golden calf makes management and ownership VERY nervous. It&#039;s not the newsroom, it&#039;s the ownership which in many cases is now up to its eyeballs in debt.

So the message is: Yes, keep trying new things. Just keep doing everything else you were doing for the print paper, too. That&#039;s unrealistic for most people on a personal level, and leads to a lot of experiments failing simply for lack of time and resources, rather than because the concept was necessarily bad. 

People in the newsrooms are already over capacity, and can&#039;t take on more duties and be expected to sustain it. Until newspapers resolve this issue of capacity, and figure out a new business model for online, reporters will continue to trickle away from the job, burned out from exhaustion. It&#039;s easy to be snide and say &quot;Good riddance.&quot; But these folks all too often leave with unmatchable knowledge of their local communities that only comes with putting in years on the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great update, Ryan. My experience is that people in the newsroom, reporters and editors, are not the problem. They get that we need to be trying new things, in fact, many of things on your list, to have more impact online. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the problem: We still make 85 percent of our money from the print edition of the paper. And anything that takes away from that print golden calf makes management and ownership VERY nervous. It&#8217;s not the newsroom, it&#8217;s the ownership which in many cases is now up to its eyeballs in debt.</p>
<p>So the message is: Yes, keep trying new things. Just keep doing everything else you were doing for the print paper, too. That&#8217;s unrealistic for most people on a personal level, and leads to a lot of experiments failing simply for lack of time and resources, rather than because the concept was necessarily bad. </p>
<p>People in the newsrooms are already over capacity, and can&#8217;t take on more duties and be expected to sustain it. Until newspapers resolve this issue of capacity, and figure out a new business model for online, reporters will continue to trickle away from the job, burned out from exhaustion. It&#8217;s easy to be snide and say &#8220;Good riddance.&#8221; But these folks all too often leave with unmatchable knowledge of their local communities that only comes with putting in years on the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Mays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Mays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be interesting to revisit this in another year.  There has certainly been a shift on the dynamics of this topic over the past year to 18 months.  In that same amount of time, I think you&#039;ll see yet another fundamental change.

There are a lot of good traditional writers out there who could easily make the shift to online and have a positive impact on the content that&#039;s available there.

Unfortunately, they&#039;ll likely need to leave their traditional media company to do it - like many of their colleagues already have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to revisit this in another year.  There has certainly been a shift on the dynamics of this topic over the past year to 18 months.  In that same amount of time, I think you&#8217;ll see yet another fundamental change.</p>
<p>There are a lot of good traditional writers out there who could easily make the shift to online and have a positive impact on the content that&#8217;s available there.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, they&#8217;ll likely need to leave their traditional media company to do it &#8211; like many of their colleagues already have.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Amico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Amico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple thoughts:

First, editors I&#039;ve talked to recently do seem to be acclimating to the idea that print and online are different products. Unfortunately, the online product is rarely treated to the kind of professionalism and thoughtfulness it deserves or that the print edition gets. I think this will change, but it&#039;s been slow in the Bay Area.

Second, on classifieds: I&#039;m starting to wonder if we should be relying so heavily on advertising (and the media model, as Chris Anderson describes it). I know numbers are climbing, but as has been said often, it&#039;s probably going to be a while until revenues are at a comfortable level again, if ever. There have to be additional services news organizations can provide, a way to leverage the massive amounts of information collected. I&#039;m thinking about sites like Motley Fool, or some of Dow Jones products, or even the research service some newsrooms offer. Something along the lines of, &quot;Some information wants to be free, and some wants to be very expensive.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple thoughts:</p>
<p>First, editors I&#8217;ve talked to recently do seem to be acclimating to the idea that print and online are different products. Unfortunately, the online product is rarely treated to the kind of professionalism and thoughtfulness it deserves or that the print edition gets. I think this will change, but it&#8217;s been slow in the Bay Area.</p>
<p>Second, on classifieds: I&#8217;m starting to wonder if we should be relying so heavily on advertising (and the media model, as Chris Anderson describes it). I know numbers are climbing, but as has been said often, it&#8217;s probably going to be a while until revenues are at a comfortable level again, if ever. There have to be additional services news organizations can provide, a way to leverage the massive amounts of information collected. I&#8217;m thinking about sites like Motley Fool, or some of Dow Jones products, or even the research service some newsrooms offer. Something along the lines of, &#8220;Some information wants to be free, and some wants to be very expensive.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Zac Echola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zac Echola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The sooner you understand the difference between &#039;putting your newspaper online&#039; and &#039;online news,&#039; the better.&quot;

Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The sooner you understand the difference between &#8216;putting your newspaper online&#8217; and &#8216;online news,&#8217; the better.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Ryan. Good idea to revisit that earlier one, too. I think the big handicap is still that we&#039;re clinging to the print model. Some are trying to change that thinking, but I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s happening fast enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Ryan. Good idea to revisit that earlier one, too. I think the big handicap is still that we&#8217;re clinging to the print model. Some are trying to change that thinking, but I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s happening fast enough.</p>
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