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	<title>Comments on: Building a local news site from scratch</title>
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	<description>Ryan Sholin on the future of newspapers, online news and journalism education.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/04/27/building-a-local-news-site-from-scratch/comment-page-1/#comment-11102</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re doing it.  Our small town Alaska newspaper was bought up by a national corporation and went from a staff of six to one person writing from 200+ miles away.  

www.SewardCityNews.com is Wordpress based with OpenAds for the side bar and Noah&#039;s Classifieds.  It&#039;s not the greatest site and I don&#039;t claim to have any true innovation with it but it&#039;s struck a cord in our small community.  

The site doesn&#039;t make much money but for the time I spend on it it&#039;s allowed for some great opportunities for myself and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re doing it.  Our small town Alaska newspaper was bought up by a national corporation and went from a staff of six to one person writing from 200+ miles away.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.SewardCityNews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.SewardCityNews.com</a> is Wordpress based with OpenAds for the side bar and Noah&#8217;s Classifieds.  It&#8217;s not the greatest site and I don&#8217;t claim to have any true innovation with it but it&#8217;s struck a cord in our small community.  </p>
<p>The site doesn&#8217;t make much money but for the time I spend on it it&#8217;s allowed for some great opportunities for myself and others.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Sheckler</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/04/27/building-a-local-news-site-from-scratch/comment-page-1/#comment-10887</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Sheckler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all the talk about newspapers reinventing themselves online, I have to wonder:

How about a brand new online newspaper that&#039;s not just a continuation or reinvention of a traditional rag?

Such an outfit would have minimal overhead, and everyone involved would do reporting out in the community. Like someone already said, the newsroom could be a downtown storefront.

Now you&#039;re looking for examples of an online news site built from scratch. but it would still carry the name of the existing print newspaper, would it not?

I&#039;m not talking about moving, laying people off and bringing in reporters with new skillsets. I&#039;m talking about starting a whole new company from scratch.

Is there demand for this? Could someone pull it off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the talk about newspapers reinventing themselves online, I have to wonder:</p>
<p>How about a brand new online newspaper that&#8217;s not just a continuation or reinvention of a traditional rag?</p>
<p>Such an outfit would have minimal overhead, and everyone involved would do reporting out in the community. Like someone already said, the newsroom could be a downtown storefront.</p>
<p>Now you&#8217;re looking for examples of an online news site built from scratch. but it would still carry the name of the existing print newspaper, would it not?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about moving, laying people off and bringing in reporters with new skillsets. I&#8217;m talking about starting a whole new company from scratch.</p>
<p>Is there demand for this? Could someone pull it off?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/04/27/building-a-local-news-site-from-scratch/comment-page-1/#comment-10876</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CMS is going to be THE crucial decision you make. There are no easy solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CMS is going to be THE crucial decision you make. There are no easy solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: kimmy</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/04/27/building-a-local-news-site-from-scratch/comment-page-1/#comment-10866</link>
		<dc:creator>kimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely let the heavy blogger guy do the heavy lifting on the new platform. What I find interesting ... and sorry to be so simple amongst the experts... is that it&#039;s difficult to build readership for a blog that is less than organic. Don&#039;t know if we&#039;re timid. Or tough to find. Or just too commercial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely let the heavy blogger guy do the heavy lifting on the new platform. What I find interesting &#8230; and sorry to be so simple amongst the experts&#8230; is that it&#8217;s difficult to build readership for a blog that is less than organic. Don&#8217;t know if we&#8217;re timid. Or tough to find. Or just too commercial.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad King</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/04/27/building-a-local-news-site-from-scratch/comment-page-1/#comment-10865</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey:

I&#039;m working on a book about social media and journalism and I love reading the site. Lots of great comments.

We&#039;re actually building a content management system that incorporates social media into its posting capabilities -- and we&#039;re getting ready to launch an online developer community around it.

The CMS is *the* most important part of any online operation, and yet it&#039;s oftentimes the most overlooked part of any company (at least from management).

Fun to see other people talking about these systems.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on a book about social media and journalism and I love reading the site. Lots of great comments.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re actually building a content management system that incorporates social media into its posting capabilities &#8212; and we&#8217;re getting ready to launch an online developer community around it.</p>
<p>The CMS is *the* most important part of any online operation, and yet it&#8217;s oftentimes the most overlooked part of any company (at least from management).</p>
<p>Fun to see other people talking about these systems.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/04/27/building-a-local-news-site-from-scratch/comment-page-1/#comment-10864</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kimmy - I&#039;m well aware of how difficult it can be to make all the third-party apps, ad-serving, tracking tags, javascript, etc. fit together.  

My hypothesis is that if you&#039;re willing to completely drop the idea that your Web site = your mainline broadcast product, then you can use a platform or service that takes care of a lot of the business for you.

You need something that hosts video, serves ads, and allows readers to post video and leave video comments, among other content types.

Sounds like WordPress + YouTube or Brightcove to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kimmy &#8211; I&#8217;m well aware of how difficult it can be to make all the third-party apps, ad-serving, tracking tags, javascript, etc. fit together.  </p>
<p>My hypothesis is that if you&#8217;re willing to completely drop the idea that your Web site = your mainline broadcast product, then you can use a platform or service that takes care of a lot of the business for you.</p>
<p>You need something that hosts video, serves ads, and allows readers to post video and leave video comments, among other content types.</p>
<p>Sounds like WordPress + YouTube or Brightcove to me.</p>
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		<title>By: kimmy</title>
		<link>http://ryansholin.com/2008/04/27/building-a-local-news-site-from-scratch/comment-page-1/#comment-10863</link>
		<dc:creator>kimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The contract with our TV station&#039;s provider is about to end. While its rather cookie cutter -- and not too sexy -- I think putting together all the elements ourselves... Well, I think it&#039;s tougher than you think ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The contract with our TV station&#8217;s provider is about to end. While its rather cookie cutter &#8212; and not too sexy &#8212; I think putting together all the elements ourselves&#8230; Well, I think it&#8217;s tougher than you think &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe - The staff I&#039;m picturing for this nimble NORG is smaller than my friends at major metros are picturing, I think.  The parent company can run development, or maybe even better, the norg can use what&#039;s out there already, without a bias against simple hosted blog software.  

Heck, Ning or the right Wordpress.com theme can do anything they would need.

Actually, Ning might even be a better choice than Drupal for what I&#039;m picturing - definitely no developer required.

Why re-invent the wheel over and over again?

So to repeat my original point about a CMS for this purpose, if I were in the business of shutting down print editions and replacing them with &quot;what&#039;s next,&quot; in terms of staffing and Web production, I would want the new online news site to have community baked into it.  Reader blogs, profiles, and groups should be part of the site from day one.

There are easy ways of doing this these days.  I recommend using one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe &#8211; The staff I&#8217;m picturing for this nimble NORG is smaller than my friends at major metros are picturing, I think.  The parent company can run development, or maybe even better, the norg can use what&#8217;s out there already, without a bias against simple hosted blog software.  </p>
<p>Heck, Ning or the right Wordpress.com theme can do anything they would need.</p>
<p>Actually, Ning might even be a better choice than Drupal for what I&#8217;m picturing &#8211; definitely no developer required.</p>
<p>Why re-invent the wheel over and over again?</p>
<p>So to repeat my original point about a CMS for this purpose, if I were in the business of shutting down print editions and replacing them with &#8220;what&#8217;s next,&#8221; in terms of staffing and Web production, I would want the new online news site to have community baked into it.  Reader blogs, profiles, and groups should be part of the site from day one.</p>
<p>There are easy ways of doing this these days.  I recommend using one.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 21:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No Developer Required,&quot; really? I mean heck, I&#039;m certainly biased, but can you name a single &quot;Nimble Web NORG&quot; out there without a developer on staff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No Developer Required,&#8221; really? I mean heck, I&#8217;m certainly biased, but can you name a single &#8220;Nimble Web NORG&#8221; out there without a developer on staff?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how strong everyone feels about content management systems.

At work, I move sites from one rather static file system for publishing stories from their paper to a dynamic CMS for publishing online news, so I&#039;m well aware of the advantages of a good CMS.

But I don&#039;t see a need to argue over whether Drupal or WordPress or Joomla or any other flavor is the best way to get this job done.

Here&#039;s a bit of what I&#039;m after, in terms of a CMS for an imaginary failing newspaper going online-only:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Community has to be built-in.&lt;/strong&gt;  This site is going to depend on locals to fill in the gaps, comment, and add some personality to the news.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Once the site is built, no developer is required.&lt;/strong&gt; Seriously, the point here is to reduce overhead, so there wouldn&#039;t be a full-time coder on staff. The pieces of the site should be as widgetized/modular as possible, so re-arranging the furniture is a copy/paste job, not an epic development task in a feature queue.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how strong everyone feels about content management systems.</p>
<p>At work, I move sites from one rather static file system for publishing stories from their paper to a dynamic CMS for publishing online news, so I&#8217;m well aware of the advantages of a good CMS.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t see a need to argue over whether Drupal or WordPress or Joomla or any other flavor is the best way to get this job done.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a bit of what I&#8217;m after, in terms of a CMS for an imaginary failing newspaper going online-only:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Community has to be built-in.</strong>  This site is going to depend on locals to fill in the gaps, comment, and add some personality to the news.</li>
<li><strong>Once the site is built, no developer is required.</strong> Seriously, the point here is to reduce overhead, so there wouldn&#8217;t be a full-time coder on staff. The pieces of the site should be as widgetized/modular as possible, so re-arranging the furniture is a copy/paste job, not an epic development task in a feature queue.</li>
<li>
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