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	<title>Comments on: Who Needs Ink? A panel discussion on the Future of Newspapers</title>
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		<title>By: Starla Nickel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starla Nickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 04:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reading the article and the many replies here, I still suspect that one of the leading problems in print media is the idea of the cookie cutter. A corporate blue print is built around a strategy that works well in one town or region. Hey, that guy&#039;s beating budget on his numbers - we should all do what he&#039;s doing. Not necessarily.

Small town papers remain strong - stronger (in terms of readership per capita) than many metro publications - primarily because of independent design as opposed to cookie cutter approaches. McDonald&#039;s and WalMart have learned that modifying franchise and box store offerings for the sake of local individuality is crucial to successful operations. We take their ads, but don&#039;t learn by their example. Instead, we blindly try what &quot;Bob&quot; three states over is trying, because if it works for him, it&#039;ll work for us. It better, because corporate is banking on it. Why in the world are we surprised when these things fail?

We should also work to get away from using the same training for each and every paper. Janet DeGeorge has a post here; she is gifted in her field. She knows a lot about liners and how to pull in the bucks to keep the head office guys happy - in most cases. A couple of years back I attended a training that resulted in my paper changing the layout of the automotive liners. The sort changed us from year-based to make-based. That cookie cutter doesn&#039;t work in my market. The folks out here in the boonies who are shopping the liners for a car are searching by price, which correlates most closely with year. Sure, plenty of folks shop by make, but they aren&#039;t looking for a private party discount. Rather, they are the shoppers considering lease options and purchasing extended warranties.

When I voiced my concerns to the publisher, I got a &quot;she&#039;s been doing this longer than either of us&quot; speech. I agree on that. She&#039;s got a gift and knows what she&#039;s doing on most items. However, I was born and raised here, and have a good idea on how poverty-level folks shop - and it sure isn&#039;t by make.

(no disrespect intended Janet - I just know this rural market better)

Plenty of papers promote &quot;local control&quot;, but if that&#039;s the case why do they all look the same? Surely ten publishers all over the US aren&#039;t on the same page at the same time? Reality - they aren&#039;t. And their readers aren&#039;t either. Let them get to know their markets, and adjust their product according to reader wishes instead of using the cookie cutter. We can&#039;t pull all the readers away from the online products, but something a little more localized - hometown - could be demonstrating better results. - Starla Nickel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reading the article and the many replies here, I still suspect that one of the leading problems in print media is the idea of the cookie cutter. A corporate blue print is built around a strategy that works well in one town or region. Hey, that guy&#8217;s beating budget on his numbers &#8211; we should all do what he&#8217;s doing. Not necessarily.</p>
<p>Small town papers remain strong &#8211; stronger (in terms of readership per capita) than many metro publications &#8211; primarily because of independent design as opposed to cookie cutter approaches. McDonald&#8217;s and WalMart have learned that modifying franchise and box store offerings for the sake of local individuality is crucial to successful operations. We take their ads, but don&#8217;t learn by their example. Instead, we blindly try what &#8220;Bob&#8221; three states over is trying, because if it works for him, it&#8217;ll work for us. It better, because corporate is banking on it. Why in the world are we surprised when these things fail?</p>
<p>We should also work to get away from using the same training for each and every paper. Janet DeGeorge has a post here; she is gifted in her field. She knows a lot about liners and how to pull in the bucks to keep the head office guys happy &#8211; in most cases. A couple of years back I attended a training that resulted in my paper changing the layout of the automotive liners. The sort changed us from year-based to make-based. That cookie cutter doesn&#8217;t work in my market. The folks out here in the boonies who are shopping the liners for a car are searching by price, which correlates most closely with year. Sure, plenty of folks shop by make, but they aren&#8217;t looking for a private party discount. Rather, they are the shoppers considering lease options and purchasing extended warranties.</p>
<p>When I voiced my concerns to the publisher, I got a &#8220;she&#8217;s been doing this longer than either of us&#8221; speech. I agree on that. She&#8217;s got a gift and knows what she&#8217;s doing on most items. However, I was born and raised here, and have a good idea on how poverty-level folks shop &#8211; and it sure isn&#8217;t by make.</p>
<p>(no disrespect intended Janet &#8211; I just know this rural market better)</p>
<p>Plenty of papers promote &#8220;local control&#8221;, but if that&#8217;s the case why do they all look the same? Surely ten publishers all over the US aren&#8217;t on the same page at the same time? Reality &#8211; they aren&#8217;t. And their readers aren&#8217;t either. Let them get to know their markets, and adjust their product according to reader wishes instead of using the cookie cutter. We can&#8217;t pull all the readers away from the online products, but something a little more localized &#8211; hometown &#8211; could be demonstrating better results. &#8211; Starla Nickel</p>
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		<title>By: michmill</title>
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		<dc:creator>michmill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Universities should buy newspapers.  It&#039;s simple--Stanford could buy the Mercury News and turn it into one of the main things you&#039;re supporting when you donate to the university.  Or partner with the Merc such that the Merc goes nonprofit and buys itself out.  There&#039;s a reason NPR is the only expanding journalistic endeavor--newspapers are all going to have to run like the New Republic or a small-town baseball team--losing money much of the time, but winning just enough to stay competitive.

If Stanford bought the Merc, think of the synergies.  Professors always need a way to get their expertise out--a daily newspaper is a great option.  Put a column from someone with great expertise and a good narrative voice on the front of each section.  Professors need newspapers to do much of their research--they are the secondary sources that are used.  So get students out there doing the research that makes things front-page stories.  Double the size of the Washington Bureau and investigate everything that doesn&#039;t make money; then print it, too.

I&#039;m still developing this one, but there are a lot of great options, and it would save good papers from oblivion and give universities the role in the community that they should possess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Universities should buy newspapers.  It&#8217;s simple&#8211;Stanford could buy the Mercury News and turn it into one of the main things you&#8217;re supporting when you donate to the university.  Or partner with the Merc such that the Merc goes nonprofit and buys itself out.  There&#8217;s a reason NPR is the only expanding journalistic endeavor&#8211;newspapers are all going to have to run like the New Republic or a small-town baseball team&#8211;losing money much of the time, but winning just enough to stay competitive.</p>
<p>If Stanford bought the Merc, think of the synergies.  Professors always need a way to get their expertise out&#8211;a daily newspaper is a great option.  Put a column from someone with great expertise and a good narrative voice on the front of each section.  Professors need newspapers to do much of their research&#8211;they are the secondary sources that are used.  So get students out there doing the research that makes things front-page stories.  Double the size of the Washington Bureau and investigate everything that doesn&#8217;t make money; then print it, too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still developing this one, but there are a lot of great options, and it would save good papers from oblivion and give universities the role in the community that they should possess.</p>
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		<title>By: fling93</title>
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		<dc:creator>fling93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, nice round-up, by the way. Wish I&#039;d been there.

And can you add a comment preview button the next time you have gobs of time and makeover your site again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, nice round-up, by the way. Wish I&#8217;d been there.</p>
<p>And can you add a comment preview button the next time you have gobs of time and makeover your site again?</p>
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		<title>By: fling93</title>
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		<dc:creator>fling93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a variation of a point I&#039;ve already said before and told Ceppos after one of his talks. I think newspapers need to focus on what they do best. What that is, I&#039;m not sure, but one reason I read papers less and bloggers more is expertise. What is a journalist&#039;s expertise in? I really don&#039;t know (maybe cuz I&#039;m not a journalism student).  But I know that it isn&#039;t informed commentary. 

As a reader, I&#039;m a helluva lot more interested in hearing what an economist who can write well has to say about the economy than a journalist who interviews economists and quotes them but doesn&#039;t really understand enough to figure out when they&#039;re being snowed (a long-time beef of  &lt;a href=&quot;http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/better_press_corps/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brad DeLong&lt;/a&gt;. Ditto for law and other areas. They need to cede this territory to bloggers and concentrate on something else, like information gathering.

As for money, I don&#039;t really have any answers. Advertising and subscriptions don&#039;t seem to work very well for newspapers nor blogs except the top tier. Micropayments is one idea that always pops up, but I think it&#039;s a ways away. I doubt the model of bloggers paying papers will fly either, because media outlets that charge bloggers will simply get linked less. I think the harsh reality is similar to that faced by the music and movie industries: the amount of money available in the field is going to decrease permanently. The best of the best will still get by, but for everyone else, the salad days are over.

But this is good news for consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a variation of a point I&#8217;ve already said before and told Ceppos after one of his talks. I think newspapers need to focus on what they do best. What that is, I&#8217;m not sure, but one reason I read papers less and bloggers more is expertise. What is a journalist&#8217;s expertise in? I really don&#8217;t know (maybe cuz I&#8217;m not a journalism student).  But I know that it isn&#8217;t informed commentary. </p>
<p>As a reader, I&#8217;m a helluva lot more interested in hearing what an economist who can write well has to say about the economy than a journalist who interviews economists and quotes them but doesn&#8217;t really understand enough to figure out when they&#8217;re being snowed (a long-time beef of  <a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/better_press_corps/index.html" rel="nofollow">Brad DeLong</a>. Ditto for law and other areas. They need to cede this territory to bloggers and concentrate on something else, like information gathering.</p>
<p>As for money, I don&#8217;t really have any answers. Advertising and subscriptions don&#8217;t seem to work very well for newspapers nor blogs except the top tier. Micropayments is one idea that always pops up, but I think it&#8217;s a ways away. I doubt the model of bloggers paying papers will fly either, because media outlets that charge bloggers will simply get linked less. I think the harsh reality is similar to that faced by the music and movie industries: the amount of money available in the field is going to decrease permanently. The best of the best will still get by, but for everyone else, the salad days are over.</p>
<p>But this is good news for consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: scott taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agarre says bloggers should pay newspapers for the stuff they use. where I live, if the local fishwrap didn&#039;t have me and another blogger named the black rod to steal from, they wouldn&#039;t have anything new in their wasted treeware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agarre says bloggers should pay newspapers for the stuff they use. where I live, if the local fishwrap didn&#8217;t have me and another blogger named the black rod to steal from, they wouldn&#8217;t have anything new in their wasted treeware.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 05:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dan - I corrected your &quot;foxy&quot; statement about blogs to &quot;proxy.&quot;  I did think it was odd to call the word &quot;blog&quot; anything close to sexy...

David - I don&#039;t think the already-read-it folks are necessarily refreshing Google News or the NY Times site or CNN.com before they go to bed every night, but they might be catching the 11 o&#039;clock local news, or a bit of radio on their commute, or hearing from their kids or spouses about as much as they&#039;ll get the next morning from the first three grafs of a wire story that hits their doorstep at 5:30 a.m.  

If you&#039;re going to print a day-old story, there better be a local angle or a source I didn&#039;t hear anywhere else, or a great photo, or a banner headline that makes me realize the importance of the story.

But yeah, I&#039;m a futurist media obsessive.  

As for the &quot;bathroom test,&quot; I&#039;m not really a take-the-laptop-into-the-john kind of guy, and I don&#039;t think I would do it with my e-paper/tablet/origami newspaper either.

But that&#039;s just me.  

Oh, and as far as the &quot;sports agate&quot; goes -- you&#039;ll pry my baseball boxscores out of my cold dead hands, but the &quot;Transactions&quot; page is a waste of trees.  And keep your hands off the comics and the crossword -- when kids do read newspapers, that&#039;s what sucks them in.  I started with comics, then sports, then the crossword.  

Seriously, as recently as 1997, I was pretty much buying the New York Times to do the crossword on the subway, but got sucked into reading the whole thing on a regular basis.  Funny how that worked out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dan &#8211; I corrected your &#8220;foxy&#8221; statement about blogs to &#8220;proxy.&#8221;  I did think it was odd to call the word &#8220;blog&#8221; anything close to sexy&#8230;</p>
<p>David &#8211; I don&#8217;t think the already-read-it folks are necessarily refreshing Google News or the NY Times site or CNN.com before they go to bed every night, but they might be catching the 11 o&#8217;clock local news, or a bit of radio on their commute, or hearing from their kids or spouses about as much as they&#8217;ll get the next morning from the first three grafs of a wire story that hits their doorstep at 5:30 a.m.  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to print a day-old story, there better be a local angle or a source I didn&#8217;t hear anywhere else, or a great photo, or a banner headline that makes me realize the importance of the story.</p>
<p>But yeah, I&#8217;m a futurist media obsessive.  </p>
<p>As for the &#8220;bathroom test,&#8221; I&#8217;m not really a take-the-laptop-into-the-john kind of guy, and I don&#8217;t think I would do it with my e-paper/tablet/origami newspaper either.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just me.  </p>
<p>Oh, and as far as the &#8220;sports agate&#8221; goes &#8212; you&#8217;ll pry my baseball boxscores out of my cold dead hands, but the &#8220;Transactions&#8221; page is a waste of trees.  And keep your hands off the comics and the crossword &#8212; when kids do read newspapers, that&#8217;s what sucks them in.  I started with comics, then sports, then the crossword.  </p>
<p>Seriously, as recently as 1997, I was pretty much buying the New York Times to do the crossword on the subway, but got sucked into reading the whole thing on a regular basis.  Funny how that worked out.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 04:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, I think your concluding remarks make more sense than a good bit of what was said by the panelists. I have come to the conclusion, though, that journalists (such as myself) are the last people who are going to be able to save the newspaper industry, because how we use media is different from how the typical person uses media. I&#039;m sorry, but most Americans, even most broadband users, did not read the wire report online last night. Appert, perhaps because he is not a journalist, is the only one who seems to understand that the typical consumer is neither a futurist nor a media obsessive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, I think your concluding remarks make more sense than a good bit of what was said by the panelists. I have come to the conclusion, though, that journalists (such as myself) are the last people who are going to be able to save the newspaper industry, because how we use media is different from how the typical person uses media. I&#8217;m sorry, but most Americans, even most broadband users, did not read the wire report online last night. Appert, perhaps because he is not a journalist, is the only one who seems to understand that the typical consumer is neither a futurist nor a media obsessive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gillmor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, that was comprehensive. One small correction, please: I said blogs are a &lt;em&gt;proxy&lt;/em&gt; word for varying kinds of conversational media, not a &quot;foxy&quot; word...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, that was comprehensive. One small correction, please: I said blogs are a <em>proxy</em> word for varying kinds of conversational media, not a &#8220;foxy&#8221; word&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sloan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Sloan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is too soon to know what that model will be. I think perhaps the future may be starting to emerge around a model of services+search+mapping+mobile devices. Somebody has to figure out a value ad there for journalists.
About the bathroom test, I think tools like origami+rss+wireless, e-paper will start to break down the aversion to using devices rather than tree-paper and that soon we will be able to take our content anywhere including the bathroom without going to print. I think the cost of energy alone is going to doom the print model, other issues just hasten it&#039;s demise. 
The emerging consumer market will see print as alien as we now see transcontinental rail passenger travel. I think books too will meet a similar fate.
~Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is too soon to know what that model will be. I think perhaps the future may be starting to emerge around a model of services+search+mapping+mobile devices. Somebody has to figure out a value ad there for journalists.<br />
About the bathroom test, I think tools like origami+rss+wireless, e-paper will start to break down the aversion to using devices rather than tree-paper and that soon we will be able to take our content anywhere including the bathroom without going to print. I think the cost of energy alone is going to doom the print model, other issues just hasten it&#8217;s demise.<br />
The emerging consumer market will see print as alien as we now see transcontinental rail passenger travel. I think books too will meet a similar fate.<br />
~Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Sandred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Sandred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 02:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there. I think the whole issue was about finding the “new” business model for printed news. It’s interesting to note that we had the same discussion in my home country Sweden some years ago. Disregarded that newspaper reading are unproportionally high in Sweden, Swedish newspapers already have started to adapt to the Internet. And new printed ones have emerged. For example Metro (U.S. http://www.metro.us/  The original http://www.metro.se/ ) is a hugely successful Swedish printed newspaper innovation, with a completely new business model. http://dkreiss.blogspot.com/2004/09/early-this-summer-i-returned-to-new.html
It’s available for free at local public transport designed to be read the time it takes to commute from the suburb to work. Today it’s the largest Swedish daily. An interesting side effect with Metro is that young people’s knowledge of contemporary life and events has been notably better the last years. They read Metro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there. I think the whole issue was about finding the “new” business model for printed news. It’s interesting to note that we had the same discussion in my home country Sweden some years ago. Disregarded that newspaper reading are unproportionally high in Sweden, Swedish newspapers already have started to adapt to the Internet. And new printed ones have emerged. For example Metro (U.S. <a href="http://www.metro.us/" rel="nofollow">http://www.metro.us/</a>  The original <a href="http://www.metro.se/" rel="nofollow">http://www.metro.se/</a> ) is a hugely successful Swedish printed newspaper innovation, with a completely new business model. <a href="http://dkreiss.blogspot.com/2004/09/early-this-summer-i-returned-to-new.html" rel="nofollow">http://dkreiss.blogspot.com/2004/09/early-this-summer-i-returned-to-new.html</a><br />
It’s available for free at local public transport designed to be read the time it takes to commute from the suburb to work. Today it’s the largest Swedish daily. An interesting side effect with Metro is that young people’s knowledge of contemporary life and events has been notably better the last years. They read Metro.</p>
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